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	* Genesis 3:24		* Genesis 3:24
	* Exodus 25:17-22		* Exodus 25:17-22
	* Ezekiel 10:~~12â€“14~~		* Ezekiel 10:12-14
	* Ezekiel 28:14-16		* Ezekiel 28:14-16
	* 2 Chronicles 3:7-14		* 2 Chronicles 3:7-14
	* 1 Kings 6:~~23â€“28~~		* 1 Kings 6:23-28
	* Revelation 4:6-8.		* Revelation 4:6-8.
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	\|Yet the archangel Michael, when he argued with the devil in a dispute over the body of Moses, did not venture to pronounce a reviling judgment upon him but said, ~~â€œMay~~ the Lord rebuke you!”		\|Yet the archangel Michael, when he argued with the devil in a dispute over the body of Moses, did not venture to pronounce a reviling judgment upon him but said, “May the Lord rebuke you!”
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	\|Yet the archangel Michael, when he argued with the devil in a dispute over the body of Moses, did not venture to pronounce a reviling judgment upon him but said, â€œMay the Lord rebuke you!~~â€~~		\|Yet the archangel Michael, when he argued with the devil in a dispute over the body of Moses, did not venture to pronounce a reviling judgment upon him but said, â€œMay the Lord rebuke you!”
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	\|No one supports me against these except Michael, your prince.		\|No one supports me against these except Michael, your prince.
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	\|At that time there shall arise Michael, the great prince, guardian of your people. It shall be a time unsurpassed in distress since the nation began until that time. At that time your people shall escape, everyone who is found written in the book.		\|At that time there shall arise Michael, the great prince, guardian of your people. It shall be a time unsurpassed in distress since the nation began until that time. At that time your people shall escape, everyone who is found written in the book.
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	\|Yet the archangel Michael, when he argued with the devil in a dispute over the body of Moses, did not venture to pronounce a reviling judgment upon him but said, â€œMay the Lord rebuke you!â€		\|Yet the archangel Michael, when he argued with the devil in a dispute over the body of Moses, did not venture to pronounce a reviling judgment upon him but said, â€œMay the Lord rebuke you!â€
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	\|Then war broke out in heaven; Michael and his angels battled against the dragon. The dragon and its angels fought back, but they did not prevail and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. The huge dragon, the ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, who deceived the whole world, was thrown down to earth, and its angels were thrown down with it.		\|Then war broke out in heaven; Michael and his angels battled against the dragon. The dragon and its angels fought back, but they did not prevail and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. The huge dragon, the ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, who deceived the whole world, was thrown down to earth, and its angels were thrown down with it.
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	\|The prince of the kingdom of Persia stood in my way for twenty-one days, until finally Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me. ''[Gabriel speaking?]''		\|The prince of the kingdom of Persia stood in my way for twenty-one days, until finally Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me. ''[Gabriel speaking?]''
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	\|No one supports me against these except Michael, your prince.		\|No one supports me against these except Michael, your prince.
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	\|At that time there shall arise Michael, the great prince, guardian of your people. It shall be a time unsurpassed in distress since the nation began until that time. At that time your people shall escape, everyone who is found written in the book.		\|At that time there shall arise Michael, the great prince, guardian of your people. It shall be a time unsurpassed in distress since the nation began until that time. At that time your people shall escape, everyone who is found written in the book.
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	\|Yet the archangel Michael, when he argued with the devil in a dispute over the body of Moses, did not venture to pronounce a reviling judgment upon him but said, â€œMay the Lord rebuke you!â€		\|Yet the archangel Michael, when he argued with the devil in a dispute over the body of Moses, did not venture to pronounce a reviling judgment upon him but said, â€œMay the Lord rebuke you!â€
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	\|Then war broke out in heaven; Michael and his angels battled against the dragon. The dragon and its angels fought back, but they did not prevail and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. The huge dragon, the ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, who deceived the whole world, was thrown down to earth, and its angels were thrown down with it.		\|Then war broke out in heaven; Michael and his angels battled against the dragon. The dragon and its angels fought back, but they did not prevail and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. The huge dragon, the ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, who deceived the whole world, was thrown down to earth, and its angels were thrown down with it.

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	In our choirs, we blend our voices and, by intention, our minds and hearts as well. I speculate that in the angelic choir, they blend their whole being. Angels are pure spirits. They have no "parts." If an angel loves, it gives itself completely to the beloved--and, just as in the Trinity, to more than one person at a "time" (angelic time is different from our time, I think). Angels cannot be divided. Their love for God is their love for each other and for God's children.		In our choirs, we blend our voices and, by intention, our minds and hearts as well. I speculate that in the angelic choir, they blend their whole being. Angels are pure spirits. They have no "parts." If an angel loves, it gives itself completely to the beloved--and, just as in the Trinity, to more than one person at a "time" (angelic time is different from our time, I think). Angels cannot be divided. Their love for God is their love for each other and for God's children.

			Angelic intimacy: beyond "cor ad cor loquitur."

	=== Do angels live in time? ===		=== Do angels live in time? ===

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	I also speculate that angels can exercise personal freedom in the way that they serve God by loving one another and by loving us. I don't have a solid source for this belief in Scripture or Tradition. I surmise that God gave them their gifts of intelligence and free will to freely express themselves in the works that they undertake on behalf of God and God's other creatures.		I also speculate that angels can exercise personal freedom in the way that they serve God by loving one another and by loving us. I don't have a solid source for this belief in Scripture or Tradition. I surmise that God gave them their gifts of intelligence and free will to freely express themselves in the works that they undertake on behalf of God and God's other creatures.

			=== Do angels love? ===

			Yes, I think so.

			In our choirs, we blend our voices and, by intention, our minds and hearts as well. I speculate that in the angelic choir, they blend their whole being. Angels are pure spirits. They have no "parts." If an angel loves, it gives itself completely to the beloved--and, just as in the Trinity, to more than one person at a "time" (angelic time is different from our time, I think). Angels cannot be divided. Their love for God is their love for each other and for God's children.

	=== Do angels live in time? ===		=== Do angels live in time? ===

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	* Colossians 1:16		* Colossians 1:16
	* Dan 7:9		* Dan 7:9
	\| Wheel-~~with~~-a-wheel. Represent justice and authority.		\| Wheel-within-a-wheel. Represent justice and authority.
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	* St. Gabriel: "Strength of God"		* St. Gabriel: "Strength of God"
	* St. Raphael: "God heals"		* St. Raphael: "God heals"
	* ''[St. Uriel'' [http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05535a.htm (4 Esdras)]: "Light of God."		* ''[St. Uriel'' [http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05535a.htm (4 Esdras)]: "Light of God.]"
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	"Seven who stand before the Lord" (Tobit).		"Seven who stand and serve before the Glory of the Lord" [http://usccb.org/bible/tobit/12:14 (Tobit 12:15).]
	* St. Michael: "Who is like God?"		* St. Michael: "Who is like God?"
	* St. Gabriel: "Strength of God"		* St. Gabriel: "Strength of God"
	* St. Raphael: "God heals"		* St. Raphael: "God heals"
	* St. Uriel [http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05535a.htm (4 Esdras)]: "Light of God."		* ''[St. Uriel'' [http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05535a.htm (4 Esdras)]: "Light of God."
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	Yes, I think so.		Yes, I think so.

	In our choirs, we blend our voices and, by intention, our minds and hearts as well. I speculate that in the angelic choir, they blend their whole being. Angels are pure spirits. They have no "parts." If an angel loves, it gives itself completely to the beloved--and, just as in the Trinity, to more than one person at a "time" (angelic time is different from our time, I think). Angels cannot be divided. Their love for God is their love for each other and for God's children.		In our choirs, we blend our voices and, by intention, our minds and hearts as well. I speculate that in the angelic choir, they blend their whole being. Angels are pure spirits. They have no "parts." If an angel loves, it gives itself completely to the beloved — and, just as in the Trinity, to more than one person at a "time" (angelic time is different from our time, I think). Angels cannot be divided. Their love for God is their love for each other and for God's children.

	Angelic intimacy: beyond "cor ad cor loquitur."		Angelic intimacy: beyond "cor ad cor loquitur."
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	So, for starters, as a first approximation, I think we can be certain that angels do not marry in the same way that humans do and therefore do not enjoy "physical" union as do a husband and wife.		So, for starters, as a first approximation, I think we can be certain that angels do not marry in the same way that humans do and therefore do not enjoy "physical" union as do a husband and wife.

	This makes perfect sense from a philosophical or Thomistic standpoint. The angels are pure spirits. Each angel is its own species. They are created directly and personally by God. Two angels never unite to produce a third angel of the same species--that is impossible in principle.		This makes perfect sense from a philosophical or Thomistic standpoint. The angels are pure spirits. Each angel is its own species. They are created directly and personally by God. Two angels never unite to produce a third angel of the same species — that is impossible in principle.

	Now we are about to step off the shore of certitude and go out onto very thin ice of speculation. May God have mercy on my soul if I am wrong in the guesses I now make.		Now we are about to step off the shore of certitude and go out onto very thin ice of speculation. May God have mercy on my soul if I am wrong in the guesses I now make.

	It seems to me that the joy and power and glory of marital union is a foretaste of the joys of Heaven. Although neither angels nor saints "marry or are given in marriage" in Heaven, I doubt that they feel in the least bit deprived of the joy that comes from union with other persons. We have many hints of this desire in our hearts for full personal union that is different from the marital act, both in the Scriptures and in science fiction. The joy of Heaven is described as the Beatific Vision, in which we will know God fully, even as He knows us (1 Corinthians 13:12). This is not a spectator sport, where we sit in the bleachers and gaze on God from a distance. It is an entry into God--and God's entry into us--as a blazing and all-consuming fire of love. It is, if you will let me use the analogy, an act of perfect inter-personal intercourse, with no holds barred.		It seems to me that the joy and power and glory of marital union is a foretaste of the joys of Heaven. Although neither angels nor saints "marry or are given in marriage" in Heaven, I doubt that they feel in the least bit deprived of the joy that comes from union with other persons. We have many hints of this desire in our hearts for full personal union that is different from the marital act, both in the Scriptures and in science fiction. The joy of Heaven is described as the Beatific Vision, in which we will know God fully, even as He knows us (1 Corinthians 13:12). This is not a spectator sport, where we sit in the bleachers and gaze on God from a distance. It is an entry into God — and God's entry into us — as a blazing and all-consuming fire of love. It is, if you will let me use the analogy, an act of perfect inter-personal intercourse, with no holds barred.

	Marital union represents the total gift of oneself to another. Such self-giving to other selves (persons) is the nature of all love. I'm morally certain that the angels love one another and love us, too, with a love that gives them joy and delight that go far beyond that to be found in marriage. I believe that the saints in Heaven also share in this same kind of bliss when God sends them to show us His love here on earth and when we meet in Heaven.		Marital union represents the total gift of oneself to another. Such self-giving to other selves (persons) is the nature of all love. I'm morally certain that the angels love one another and love us, too, with a love that gives them joy and delight that go far beyond that to be found in marriage. I believe that the saints in Heaven also share in this same kind of bliss when God sends them to show us His love here on earth and when we meet in Heaven.
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	The first time I stumbled across this idea was in Mark Twain's _Letters to the Earth_. I don't know what to make of his faith, or lack thereof. I pray for the repose of his soul. I love reading his works, even though there is a lot of chaff mixed in with the wheat. I don't consider him a reliable guide to theology, but he had an intuition that may be real, even though it needs MUCH correction:		The first time I stumbled across this idea was in Mark Twain's _Letters to the Earth_. I don't know what to make of his faith, or lack thereof. I pray for the repose of his soul. I love reading his works, even though there is a lot of chaff mixed in with the wheat. I don't consider him a reliable guide to theology, but he had an intuition that may be real, even though it needs MUCH correction:

	: "For there is nothing about man that is not strange to an immortal. He looks at nothing as we look at it, his sense of proportion is quite different than ours, and his sense of values is so divergent from ours, that with all our large intellectual powers it is not likely that even the most gifted among us would ever be quite able to understand it. For instance, take this sample: He has imagined a heaven, and has left entirely out of it the supremest of all his delights, the one ecstasy that stands first and foremost in the heart of every individual of his race--and of ours--sexual intercourse!		: "For there is nothing about man that is not strange to an immortal. He looks at nothing as we look at it, his sense of proportion is quite different than ours, and his sense of values is so divergent from ours, that with all our large intellectual powers it is not likely that even the most gifted among us would ever be quite able to understand it. For instance, take this sample: He has imagined a heaven, and has left entirely out of it the supremest of all his delights, the one ecstasy that stands first and foremost in the heart of every individual of his race — and of ours — sexual intercourse!

	: "It is as if a lost and perishing person in a roasting desert should be told by a rescuer he might chose and have all longed for things but one, and he should elect to leave out water! ... I recall to your attention the extraordinary fact with which I began. To wit, that the human being, like the immortals, naturally places sexual intercourse far and away above all other joys--yet he has left it out of his heaven! The very thought of it excites him; opportunity sets him wild; in this state he will risk life, reputation, everything--even his queer heaven itself--to make good that opportunity and ride it to the overwhelming climax. From youth to middle age all men and all women prize copulation above all other pleasures combined, yet it is actually as I have said: It is not in their heaven; prayer takes its place."		: "It is as if a lost and perishing person in a roasting desert should be told by a rescuer he might chose and have all longed for things but one, and he should elect to leave out water! ... I recall to your attention the extraordinary fact with which I began. To wit, that the human being, like the immortals, naturally places sexual intercourse far and away above all other joys — yet he has left it out of his heaven! The very thought of it excites him; opportunity sets him wild; in this state he will risk life, reputation, everything — even his queer heaven itself — to make good that opportunity and ride it to the overwhelming climax. From youth to middle age all men and all women prize copulation above all other pleasures combined, yet it is actually as I have said: It is not in their heaven; prayer takes its place."

	Cf. Peter Kreeft's article, [http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics/sex-in-heaven.htm "Sex in Heaven."]		Cf. Peter Kreeft's article, [http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics/sex-in-heaven.htm "Sex in Heaven."]

	Science fiction authors frequently appeal to the joy of full personal union via ESP--on Star Trek, it is the "Vulcan mind meld," I believe. There was also an R-rated scene in "Cocoon" that suggested some kind of non-physical union between an alien and a human being.		Science fiction authors frequently appeal to the joy of full personal union via ESP — on Star Trek, it is the "Vulcan mind meld," I believe. There was also an R-rated scene in "Cocoon" that suggested some kind of non-physical union between an alien and a human being.

	''IF'' this way of looking at the joy of personal spiritual union is true, or some semblance of the truth, THEN, maybe, we might hazard the guess that the [[Theology of the Body\|unitive end of marriage]] is, in some sense, theoretically higher than the procreative end, because love outlasts all other things in life (1 Cor 13).		''IF'' this way of looking at the joy of personal spiritual union is true, or some semblance of the truth, THEN, maybe, we might hazard the guess that the [[Theology of the Body\|unitive end of marriage]] is, in some sense, theoretically higher than the procreative end, because love outlasts all other things in life (1 Cor 13).
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	There are only two kinds of preternatural spirits at work in the world: good angels and fallen angels.		There are only two kinds of preternatural spirits at work in the world: good angels and fallen angels.

	"Preternatural"--above or beyond nature. Humans are also "spirits at work in the world," because we are embodied spirits, but the word "djinn" or "genie" is not referring to our kind of spirit but the kind that has powers greater than our own.		"Preternatural" — above or beyond nature. Humans are also "spirits at work in the world," because we are embodied spirits, but the word "djinn" or "genie" is not referring to our kind of spirit but the kind that has powers greater than our own.

	The Catechism doesn't mention "genies" in particular. The Arabic belief in genies resembles hundreds, if not thousands, of religions categorized as "animism." There is lots to be said about that, but the bottom line is that Judaeo-Christian monotheism repudiates the idea that inhabiting spirits are gods or goddesses and that they deserve any kind of reverence or attention.		The Catechism doesn't mention "genies" in particular. The Arabic belief in genies resembles hundreds, if not thousands, of religions categorized as "animism." There is lots to be said about that, but the bottom line is that Judaeo-Christian monotheism repudiates the idea that inhabiting spirits are gods or goddesses and that they deserve any kind of reverence or attention.
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	== Catechism of the Catholic Church ==		== Catechism of the Catholic Church ==

	* [http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p5.htm#328 #328--creation and nature of the angels.]		* [http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p5.htm#328 #328 — creation and nature of the angels.]

	:; [http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p7.htm#391 II. The Fall of the Angels]		:; [http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p7.htm#391 II. The Fall of the Angels]

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