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	: "This biplane is unique in the fact that it evolved from a combination of full scale and model-design experience and has proven to be the best aerobatic bipe ever developed. The wing spacing, tail moment, tail areas, and vertical placement of the wing and stab all evolved from model experience. Even the raked LG evolved from a desire to mount the gear near the firewall for maximum strength. My good friend Bob Godfrey, who's no longer with us, must be given due credit for pioneering this model for all the modeling world to enjoy."		: "This biplane is unique in the fact that it evolved from a combination of full scale and model-design experience and has proven to be the best aerobatic bipe ever developed. The wing spacing, tail moment, tail areas, and vertical placement of the wing and stab all evolved from model experience. Even the raked LG evolved from a desire to mount the gear near the firewall for maximum strength. My good friend Bob Godfrey, who's no longer with us, must be given due credit for pioneering this model for all the modeling world to enjoy."

	:: ''And no undue credit--that would be unjust to Gordon. I think Don has an inflated view of how much he and Bob contributed to the design of the 10-300.''		:: ''And no undue credit — that would be unjust to Gordon. I think Don has an inflated view of how much he and Bob contributed to the design of the 10-300.''

	:: ''Ask yourself exactly how much useful information could have been derived from one (1) test flight that ended in a crash. "Well, the model flew great, Gord! It took off just fine. After that, the elevator broke off and it crashed. If you can get your full-scale plane not to lose its elevator on the first flight, you'll be delighted with the outcome."''		:: ''Ask yourself exactly how much useful information could have been derived from one (1) test flight that ended in a crash. "Well, the model flew great, Gord! It took off just fine. After that, the elevator broke off and it crashed. If you can get your full-scale plane not to lose its elevator on the first flight, you'll be delighted with the outcome."''
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	:: ''A true test program with models would require a control aircraft (to provide baseline data for the original design) and variations of that aircraft to test against the baseline. There would have to be some method of measuring results. One 'test flight' does not a program make.''		:: ''A true test program with models would require a control aircraft (to provide baseline data for the original design) and variations of that aircraft to test against the baseline. There would have to be some method of measuring results. One 'test flight' does not a program make.''

	:: ''I'll concede that Bob Godfrey pioneered "'''this model''' for all the modeling world to enjoy"--in the sense that he built the first RC model and provided the first RC kit. I deny that he pioneered the design of the Ultimate. I see that as Gordon's baby all the way.''		:: ''I'll concede that Bob Godfrey pioneered "'''this model''' for all the modeling world to enjoy" — in the sense that he built the first RC model and provided the first RC kit. I deny that he pioneered the design of the Ultimate. I see that as Gordon's baby all the way.''

	"The full scale airplane proceeded with the setup we felt was best. Gordon Price flew the Pitts in competition and had developed an 'Ultimate' wing configuration, which he installed on his Pitts. That wing configuration was also used on the new airplane."		"The full scale airplane proceeded with the setup we felt was best. Gordon Price flew the Pitts in competition and had developed an 'Ultimate' wing configuration, which he installed on his Pitts. That wing configuration was also used on the new airplane."
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	I consider Gordon to be "one of the original cast members." He disagrees with the way Don and Dick tell the story. So do I.		I consider Gordon to be "one of the original cast members." He disagrees with the way Don and Dick tell the story. So do I.

	~~--------~~ Original Message ~~--------~~		— — — — Original Message — — — —
	Subject: Full scale or model		Subject: Full scale or model
	Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 16:54:43 -0400		Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 16:54:43 -0400

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	=== Questions & Answers about the 10 Dash 300S ===		=== Questions & Answers about the 10 Dash 300S ===

	Gordon was asked some questions about this design by the team preparing Rob Holland's 10-300S for flight.		Gordon was asked some questions about this design by the team preparing [[N8UB\|Rob Holland's 10-300S]] for flight.

	:: Gordon, I hope to talk to you some day. Rob will be flying 10-300S #3 in the world advanced contest this July (Sweden). The guys from Finland have offered him use of the airplane. Rob also plans to fly the 20-300S in his 2nd airshow season this coming summer. He placed 2nd at the nationals this year. I think that through the airshows and competition scene, this airplane will gain the exposure that it should've had and will make a substantial impact on the sport aviation community. There is a huge need for biplane that can kick the crap out of most monoplanes. Aviat won't address this issue. This is the machine. Remember, you are ALWAYS welcome to come fly the 20-300S. You can find Rob or myself at KASH, or NH69 (Windsock Village). Thank you for your time and inspiration!!! All the best to you and your family.		:: Gordon, I hope to talk to you some day. Rob will be flying 10-300S #3 in the world advanced contest this July (Sweden). The guys from Finland have offered him use of the airplane. Rob also plans to fly the 20-300S in his 2nd airshow season this coming summer. He placed 2nd at the nationals this year. I think that through the airshows and competition scene, this airplane will gain the exposure that it should've had and will make a substantial impact on the sport aviation community. There is a huge need for biplane that can kick the crap out of most monoplanes. Aviat won't address this issue. This is the machine. Remember, you are ALWAYS welcome to come fly the 20-300S. You can find Rob or myself at KASH, or NH69 (Windsock Village). Thank you for your time and inspiration!!! All the best to you and your family.

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	''The caption reads: "This Canadian-built Ultimate 10-300 "DYSLEXIC" is owned by Bill Baird, Sturgis, Kentucky, and flown by airshow pilot, Nick Smith, Crossville, Tennessee..." [N6521R was 'substantially damaged' in July, 1991, when the pilot ran the lower tanks dry and didn't have enough altitude to restart the engine after switching to the top tanks. Cf. [http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001212X17455&key=1 NTSB Report.]'']		''The caption reads: "This Canadian-built Ultimate 10-300 "DYSLEXIC" is owned by Bill Baird, Sturgis, Kentucky, and flown by airshow pilot, Nick Smith, Crossville, Tennessee..." [N6521R was 'substantially damaged' in July, 1991, when the pilot ran the lower tanks dry and didn't have enough altitude to restart the engine after switching to the top tanks. Cf. [http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001212X17455&key=1 NTSB Report.]'']

	=== Questions & Answers about the 10 Dash ~~300~~ ===		=== Questions & Answers about the 10 Dash 300S ===

	~~Questions & Answers~~ about the 10 ~~Dash 300~~		Gordon was asked some questions about this design by the team preparing Rob Holland's 10-300S for flight.

	Gordon ~~was asked~~ some ~~questions about~~ this ~~design by~~ a ~~builder~~.		:: Gordon, I hope to talk to you some day. Rob will be flying 10-300S #3 in the world advanced contest this July (Sweden). The guys from Finland have offered him use of the airplane. Rob also plans to fly the 20-300S in his 2nd airshow season this coming summer. He placed 2nd at the nationals this year. I think that through the airshows and competition scene, this airplane will gain the exposure that it should've had and will make a substantial impact on the sport aviation community. There is a huge need for biplane that can kick the crap out of most monoplanes. Aviat won't address this issue. This is the machine. Remember, you are ALWAYS welcome to come fly the 20-300S. You can find Rob or myself at KASH, or NH69 (Windsock Village). Thank you for your time and inspiration!!! All the best to you and your family.

	If anyone has further observations, I'll place them here with proper attribution.		If anyone has further observations, I'll place them here with proper attribution.

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	If anyone has further observations, I'll place them here with proper attribution.		If anyone has further observations, I'll place them here with proper attribution.

			:Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:47:38 EST
			: Subject: Questions

			:: Bingo ... I found some spare time. I am sitting at the airport waiting for our flight to London. Here are some answers. I dislike having gottados hanging over my head. I will leave it to you to forward them and as long as I am not providing fodder for the lawyers you can publish whatever if you wish.

			::: Cheers

			:::: Gordon

	; 1) What was the empty weight? Heavy IO-540, or light?		; 1) What was the empty weight? Heavy IO-540, or light?
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	; 6) What are your thoughts about the "S" wing performance characteristics vs. the original airfoil?		; 6) What are your thoughts about the "S" wing performance characteristics vs. the original airfoil?

	:: My observation (only by looking at them) is that the original airfoil would provide better snap characteristics and climb rate.		:: My observation (only by looking at them) is that the original airfoil would provide better snap characteristics and climb rate.

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	:: I wish I could say yes but in all honesty the mating with a trailer did not enter my mind.		:: I wish I could say yes but in all honesty the mating with a trailer did not enter my mind.

	; A final word of advice for test pilots:		:: A final word of advice for test pilots:

	:: Be careful and stay over the field. I was always very cautious when testing and it paid off a number of times. Also the airplane will not kill you but sudden contact with the ground will. Come close to the ground only on landing. I have a lot of dead friends.		::: Be careful and stay over the field. I was always very cautious when testing and it paid off a number of times. Also the airplane will not kill you but sudden contact with the ground will. Come close to the ground only on landing. I have a lot of dead friends.

	== Twenty Dash 300 ==		== Twenty Dash 300 ==

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	[[File:Gordon Price ac-b747400-cgagn.JPG\|~~800px~~\|center]]		[[File:Gordon Price ac-b747400-cgagn.JPG\|640px\|center]]

	== Pitts Special Team ==		== Pitts Special Team ==

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 == Pitts Special Team ==
 The Classic Aerobatics website has a [https://www.classic-aerobatics.de/en/aircrafts/ultimate-10-200.html page dedicated to their construction of an Ultimate 10-200.]

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	:: Guelph, Ont. — Ultimate Aircraft Corp. hs introduced two addition, both two-place, to its growing line of aerobatic biplanes.		:: Guelph, Ont. — Ultimate Aircraft Corp. hs introduced two addition, both two-place, to its growing line of aerobatic biplanes.

	:: Now offered by the Guelph Airpark-based company are the 20-300T (Trainer) and the 20-300E (Exhibition) aircraft. The 19½ ft. span biplanes have a maximum speed of 250 mph.		:: Now offered by the [https://www.facebook.com/GuelphAirpark/ Guelph Airpark-based] company are the 20-300T (Trainer) and the 20-300E (Exhibition) aircraft. The 19½ ft. span biplanes have a maximum speed of 250 mph.

	:: Both feature full bubble canopy, four full-span ailerons, Macro-flap system, super rudder, Whitmat style gear, Haigh tailwheel and three-blade Hoffman propeller. Available as options are the inverted fuel and smoke system and Ultimate's Super Wing.		:: Both feature full bubble canopy, four full-span ailerons, Macro-flap system, super rudder, Whitmat style gear, Haigh tailwheel and three-blade Hoffman propeller. Available as options are the inverted fuel and smoke system and Ultimate's Super Wing.

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	:: [http://moleski.net/cacwiki/images/5/58/20-300specs.pdf 20-300 specifications]		:: [http://moleski.net/cacwiki/images/5/58/20-300specs.pdf 20-300 specifications]

			[[File:20-300sm.jpg\|center]]

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	''' Gordon:''' "Enclosed a copy of a press release in 1987. Unfortunately we did not get a 2 seater completed before the demise of Utimate."		''' Gordon:''' "Enclosed a copy of a press release in 1987. Unfortunately we did not get a 2 seater completed before the demise of Utimate."

	[[File:~~20-300sm~~.jpg\|center\|frame\|<div align="center">Saskatchewan 20 Dash 300. Sold to Rob Holland, modernized, sold to Jago Stemberger, and still flying as [[N8UB]].</div>]]		[[File:Dieno d6.jpg\|center\|frame\|<div align="center">Saskatchewan 20 Dash 300. Sold to Rob Holland, modernized, sold to Jago Stemberger, and still flying as [[N8UB]].</div>]]

	== 10-300 crash ==		== 10-300 crash ==

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 == 10-300 crash ==

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	:: The landing attitude and lack of visibility contributed to the landing accident (mid air) and some serious injuries to a friend of mine. The trip to Sun and Fun in a skidoo suit with chemical hand and foot warmers and minus 30 degree temperature is another story. Some stuff I don't miss.		:: The landing attitude and lack of visibility contributed to the landing accident (mid air) and some serious injuries to a friend of mine. The trip to Sun and Fun in a skidoo suit with chemical hand and foot warmers and minus 30 degree temperature is another story. Some stuff I don't miss.

	[[File:Gordon_Price_10-180_and_10-100.jpg]]		[[File:Gordon_Price_10-180_and_10-100.jpg\|frame\|<div align="center">''This drawing must be in error.
			The 10-100 was shorter than the 10-180.''</div>]]
	[[File:Gordon Price poster 01.jpg\|800px]]		[[File:Gordon Price poster 01.jpg\|800px]]

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	== 10 Dash 200 ==		== 10 Dash 200 ==
			:: [http://moleski.net/cacwiki/images/d/d3/10-200specs.pdf 10-200 specifications]

	[[File:Gordon_Price_10-200_Sport_Aviation_March_1987.JPG\|800px\|center\|frame\|<div align="center">Gordon Price & Ultimate Aircraft's New 10 Dash 200</div>]]		[[File:Gordon_Price_10-200_Sport_Aviation_March_1987.JPG\|800px\|center\|frame\|<div align="center">Gordon Price & Ultimate Aircraft's New 10 Dash 200</div>]]

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	== 10 Dash 300 ==		== 10 Dash 300 ==
			:: [http://moleski.net/cacwiki/images/b/b0/10-300specs.pdf 10-300 specifications]
	[[File:10-300sm.jpg\|center\|frame\|<div align="center">OH-XSF: Finnish 10 Dash 300</div>]]		[[File:10-300sm.jpg\|center\|frame\|<div align="center">OH-XSF: Finnish 10 Dash 300</div>]]

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	== Twenty Dash 300 ==		== Twenty Dash 300 ==

			:: [http://moleski.net/cacwiki/images/5/58/20-300specs.pdf 20-300 specifications]

	[[File:20-300sm.jpg]]		[[File:20-300sm.jpg]]