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	::# If yes, where in the Bible does it tell us that the writer of the Letter to the Hebrews was inspired by the Holy Spirit? Scripture verse?		::# If yes, where in the Bible does it tell us that the writer of the Letter to the Hebrews was inspired by the Holy Spirit? Scripture verse?
	::# Where in the Bible does it tell us who the writer of the Letter to the Hebrews was? Scripture verse?		::# Where in the Bible does it tell us who the writer of the Letter to the Hebrews was? Scripture verse?
	::# If you ~~donâ€™t~~ know who wrote the Letter to the Hebrews, then how do you know it is inspired?		::# If you don’t know who wrote the Letter to the Hebrews, then how do you know it is inspired?

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	:: "Where does the Bible say everything we believe as Christians must be found in the Bible?"		:: "Where does the Bible say everything we believe as Christians must be found in the Bible?"


	== It's under the Scriptures ==		== It's under the Scriptures ==

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	=== "Bible" in the Bible ===		=== "Bible" in the Bible ===
	Where [["Bible" in the Bible\|variants of the word "bible" appear in the sacred scriptures,]] they ''never'' ~~refers~~ to the combination of the Old Testament and the New Testament as outlined above. The variants are only applied to components of those scriptures considered individually, such as "the book of the prophets" or "the book of Moses," or to other books such as the little scroll in the book of Revelation or the book of Revelation itself. Since [["Bible" in the Bible\|the word "Bible" is not in the Bible,]] '''nowhere in the Bible does it say, "Every teaching of Christianity is to be found in the Bible."'''		Where [["Bible" in the Bible\|variants of the word "bible" appear in the sacred scriptures,]] they ''never'' refer to the combination of the Old Testament and the New Testament as outlined above. The variants are only applied to components of those scriptures considered individually, such as "the book of the prophets" or "the book of Moses," or to other books such as the little scroll in the book of Revelation or the book of Revelation itself. Since [["Bible" in the Bible\|the word "Bible" is not in the Bible,]] '''nowhere in the Bible does it say, "Every teaching of Christianity is to be found in the Bible."'''

	In other words, those who repeatedly ask the question, "Where does it say that in the Bible?" are asking a non-Biblical question. Their conviction that everything knowable about Christianity is "said in the Bible" is a non-Biblical, human tradition.		In other words, those who repeatedly ask the question, "Where does it say that in the Bible?" are asking a non-Biblical question. Their conviction that everything knowable about Christianity is "said in the Bible" is a non-Biblical, human tradition.

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	* There is no verse in Scripture that authorizes calling the entire collection of the Scriptures [[Bible\|"the Bible."]] Therefore, there is no verse in the Bible that authorizes people to ask, "Where is that in the Bible?"		* There is no verse in Scripture that authorizes calling the entire collection of the Scriptures [[Bible\|"the Bible."]] Therefore, there is no verse in the Bible that authorizes people to ask, "Where is that in the Bible?"

	** There is no verse in the Bible that says the Bible is the only word of God or that there is no other vehicle of revelation. The Bible ''is'' the Word of God, but no verse in the Bible says that the Bible is the Word of God. This is a doctrine--a dogma--proposed by the Catholic Church. No Church, no Bible! The Church says more than the Scriptures say. She recognized the reality of the inspiration of the Scriptures by the Holy Spirit and that insight, in turn, led to the definition of the [[NT\|"canon of the New Testament."]] If the Church ~~did~~ not say more than the Scriptures say, we would not have "the Bible" at all.		:: There is no verse in the Bible that says the Bible is the only word of God or that there is no other vehicle of revelation. The Bible ''is'' the Word of God, but no verse in the Bible says that "the Bible ''is'' the Word of God." This is a doctrine — a dogma — proposed by the Catholic Church. No Church, no Bible!
			:: The Church says more than the Scriptures say. She recognized the reality of the inspiration of the Scriptures by the Holy Spirit and that insight, in turn, led to the definition of the [[NT\|"canon (official list of books) of the New Testament."]] If the Church could not say more than the Scriptures say, we would not have "the Bible" at all.

	* There is no verse in Scripture that says "every verse in Scripture must be read literally."		* There is no verse in Scripture that says "every verse in Scripture must be read literally."
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	* There is no verse in Scripture that says we may change "The Day of the Lord" from Saturday to Sunday.		* There is no verse in Scripture that says we may change "The Day of the Lord" from Saturday to Sunday.

	* There is no verse in Scripture that says, [[Deposit of Faith\|"The Deposit of Faith was closed with the death of the last apostle."]] The last apostle to die might not even have known that he was the last one alive of the original twelve. I doubt very much that he had the explicit concept of a "deposit of faith," either. That is something that developed out of subsequent reflection some time after the death of the last apostle when it was clear that the Church had to preach the gospel in the absence of the eyewitnesses.		* There is no verse in Scripture that says, [[Deposit of Faith\|"The Deposit of Faith was closed with the death of the last apostle."]]

			:: The last apostle to die might not even have known that he was the last one alive of the original twelve. I doubt very much that he had the explicit concept of a "deposit of faith," either. That is something that developed out of subsequent reflection some time after the death of the last apostle when it was clear that the Church had to preach the gospel in the absence of the eyewitnesses.

	* There is no verse in Scripture that says God no longer provides [[Magisterium#Pastoral_gifts--.22Living_the_truth_in_love.22\|"apostles, prophets, pastors, evangelists, and teachers ...]] so that we may no longer be infants, tossed by waves and swept along by every wind of teaching arising from human trickery, from their cunning in the interests of deceitful scheming" (Eph 4:11-16).		* There is no verse in Scripture that says God no longer provides [[Magisterium#Pastoral_gifts--.22Living_the_truth_in_love.22\|"apostles, prophets, pastors, evangelists, and teachers ...]] so that we may no longer be infants, tossed by waves and swept along by every wind of teaching arising from human trickery, from their cunning in the interests of deceitful scheming" (Eph 4:11-16).

	In addition, the Scriptures do not provide lessons in grammar or a theological dictionary as inspired books that would define the meaning of all terms used elsewhere in the ~~Scriptures~~. Any interpretations based on linguistics and definitions are only as good as the non-biblical scholarship involved in the judgment.		In addition, the Scriptures do not provide lessons in grammar or a theological dictionary as inspired books that would define the meaning of all terms used elsewhere in the Church's collection of inspired books. Any interpretations based on linguistics and definitions are only as good as the non-biblical scholarship involved in the judgment.

	Either the Body has the power to make these kinds of decisions or else there is no Bible; if the Body has the power to make these decisions, it is free from the obligation to back them up by a specific verse in Scripture.		'''The Bottom Line:''' Either the Body has the power to make these kinds of decisions or else there is no Bible; if the Body has the power to make these decisions, it is free from the obligation to back them up by a specific verse in Scripture.

	== Protestant traditions not found in the Bible ==		== Protestant traditions not found in the Bible ==

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	:::- No book in the Bible lists the books of the Bible.		:::- No book in the Bible lists the books of the Bible.
	:::- No verse in Scripture says, "Only books written in Hebrew were inspired by God for the Israelites." That thought is a human tradition invented by Martin Luther in the 16th century.		:::- No verse in Scripture says, "Only books written in Hebrew were inspired by God for the Israelites." That thought is a human tradition invented by Martin Luther in the 16th century.
	:::- No verse in Scripture says that "Christians must follow the decisions of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Jamnia Pharisaic Council of Jamnia] (if there was a "Council of Jamnia"!).		:::- No verse in Scripture says that "Christians must follow the decisions of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Jamnia Pharisaic Council of Jamnia 60 years or so after the death and resurrection of Jesus] (if there was a "Council of Jamnia"!).

	* There is no verse in Scripture that says we may call the writings of the Israelites [[OT\|"the Old Testament"]] nor the writings produced by the Body of Christ [[NT\|"the New Testament."]]		* There is no verse in Scripture that says we may call the writings of the Israelites [[OT\|"the Old Testament"]] nor the writings produced by the Body of Christ [[NT\|"the New Testament."]]

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			== It's under the Scriptures ==

			[[Tradition]] came first.

			Tradition created the Scriptures.

			The Body was quite mature by the time it started generating and collecting sacred writings.

			It took almost four centuries for the New Testament to reach its final form.

			There was no Bible before the Church assembled the Bible.

	== References ==		== References ==

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	* There is no verse in Scripture that authorizes calling the entire collection of the Scriptures [[Bible\|"the Bible."]] Therefore, there is no verse in the Bible that authorizes people to ask, "Where is that in the Bible?"		* There is no verse in Scripture that authorizes calling the entire collection of the Scriptures [[Bible\|"the Bible."]] Therefore, there is no verse in the Bible that authorizes people to ask, "Where is that in the Bible?"

			** There is no verse in the Bible that says the Bible is the only word of God or that there is no other vehicle of revelation. The Bible ''is'' the Word of God, but no verse in the Bible says that the Bible is the Word of God. This is a doctrine--a dogma--proposed by the Catholic Church. No Church, no Bible! The Church says more than the Scriptures say. She recognized the reality of the inspiration of the Scriptures by the Holy Spirit and that insight, in turn, led to the definition of the [[NT\|"canon of the New Testament."]] If the Church did not say more than the Scriptures say, we would not have "the Bible" at all.

	* There is no verse in Scripture that says "every verse in Scripture must be read literally."		* There is no verse in Scripture that says "every verse in Scripture must be read literally."

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	Either the Body has the power to make these kinds of decisions or else there is no Bible; if the Body has the power to make these decisions, it is free from the obligation to back them up by a specific verse in Scripture.		Either the Body has the power to make these kinds of decisions or else there is no Bible; if the Body has the power to make these decisions, it is free from the obligation to back them up by a specific verse in Scripture.

			== Protestant traditions not found in the Bible ==

			:; Trent Horn, [https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/protestant-traditions-you-wont-find-in-the-bible?mc_cid=ee21c6245a&mc_eid=89d284a5ca "Protestant Traditions You Won't Find in the Bible"<nowiki>:</nowiki>]

			:: "Where does the Bible say we are not purified of sin after death?"

			:: "Where does the Bible say we should make Jesus our personal Lord and Savior?"

			:: "Where does the Bible say all revelation ceased after the apostolic age?"

			:: "Where does the Bible say everything we believe as Christians must be found in the Bible?"


	== References ==		== References ==

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	We do not find the sentence, "Abortion is an unspeakably evil act that offends God, wounds the parents, destroys the conscience of medical personnel, and creates a culture of death with many catastrophic consequences." But that is the ''meaning'' of the Scriptures--"for those who have eyes to see."		We do not find the sentence, "Abortion is an unspeakably evil act that offends God, wounds the parents, destroys the conscience of medical personnel, and creates a culture of death with many catastrophic consequences." But that is the ''meaning'' of the Scriptures--"for those who have eyes to see."

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	This could also be called the "No Verse in the Bible" game, except [["Bible" in the Bible\|I hate calling the Sacred Scriptures "the Bible."]]		This could also be called the "No Verse in the Bible" game, except [["Bible" in the Bible\|I hate calling the Sacred Scriptures "the Bible."]]

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	=== All scripture is inspired by God ===		=== All scripture is inspired by God ===

	This is the great text trotted out by Protestant apologists. ''There is no "sola scriptura" in the text at all.'' I concede that the sacred writings do instruct us in the truths necessary for salvation, that all of Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, and that anyone who ignores the Scriptures is incomplete, but not one syllable of these verses says that Scripture is the '''sole''' source of teaching authority. Many other verses in Scripture point elsewhere--to the living teachers of the living Body of Christ, the [[Magisterium]].		This is the great text trotted out by Protestant apologists. ''There is no "sola scriptura" in the text at all.'' I concede that the sacred writings do instruct us in the truths necessary for salvation, that all of Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, and that anyone who ignores the Scriptures is incomplete, but not one syllable of these verses says that Scripture is the '''sole''' source of teaching authority. Many other verses in Scripture point elsewhere — to the living teachers of the living Body of Christ, the [[Magisterium]].

	; [http://www.usccb.org/bible/2tm/3:15 2 Tim 3:15-17]		; [http://www.usccb.org/bible/2tm/3:15 2 Tim 3:15-17]
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	Five hundred years of arguing about the Scriptures has poisoned the thinking of many Catholics, so that the non-Biblical assumption that every teaching of the Church must be taken from an explicit passage of the Bible ''seems'' to be a self-evident truth. '''The [[Bible]] does not say that the Church may teach only what the Bible says directly.'''		Five hundred years of arguing about the Scriptures has poisoned the thinking of many Catholics, so that the non-Biblical assumption that every teaching of the Church must be taken from an explicit passage of the Bible ''seems'' to be a self-evident truth. '''The [[Bible]] does not say that the Church may teach only what the Bible says directly.'''

	=== Jesus identifies with the teachers--not the text ===		=== Jesus identifies with the teachers — not the text ===
	"Whoever listens to you listens to me. Whoever rejects you rejects me. And whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me" [http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/luke/luke10.htm#v16 (Lk 10:16).]		"Whoever listens to you listens to me. Whoever rejects you rejects me. And whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me" [http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/luke/luke10.htm#v16 (Lk 10:16).]

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	"'I have told you this while I am with you.		"'I have told you this while I am with you.
	The Advocate, the holy Spirit that the Father will send in my name--he will teach you everything and remind you of all that (I) told you'" [http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/john/john14.htm#v16 (Jn 14:16-26).]		The Advocate, the holy Spirit that the Father will send in my name — he will teach you everything and remind you of all that (I) told you'" [http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/john/john14.htm#v16 (Jn 14:16-26).]

	=== Hold fast to oral traditions ===		=== Hold fast to oral traditions ===
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	=== Abortion ===		=== Abortion ===
	We do not find the sentence, "Abortion is an unspeakably evil act that offends God, wounds the parents, destroys the conscience of medical personnel, and creates a culture of death with many catastrophic consequences." But that is the ''meaning'' of the Scriptures--"for those who have eyes to see."		We do not find the sentence, "Abortion is an unspeakably evil act that offends God, wounds the parents, destroys the conscience of medical personnel, and creates a culture of death with many catastrophic consequences." But that is the ''meaning'' of the Scriptures — "for those who have eyes to see."

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	:: The last apostle to die might not even have known that he was the last one alive of the original twelve. I doubt very much that he had the explicit concept of a "deposit of faith," either. That is something that developed out of subsequent reflection some time after the death of the last apostle when it was clear that the Church had to preach the gospel in the absence of the eyewitnesses.		:: The last apostle to die might not even have known that he was the last one alive of the original twelve. I doubt very much that he had the explicit concept of a "deposit of faith," either. That is something that developed out of subsequent reflection some time after the death of the last apostle when it was clear that the Church had to preach the gospel in the absence of the eyewitnesses.

	* There is no verse in Scripture that says God no longer provides [[Magisterium#Pastoral_gifts--.22Living_the_truth_in_love.22\|"apostles, prophets, pastors, evangelists, and teachers ...]] so that we may no longer be infants, tossed by waves and swept along by every wind of teaching arising from human trickery, from their cunning in the interests of deceitful scheming" (Eph 4:11-16).		* There is no verse in Scripture that says God no longer provides [[Magisterium#Pastoral_gifts — .22Living_the_truth_in_love.22\|"apostles, prophets, pastors, evangelists, and teachers ...]] so that we may no longer be infants, tossed by waves and swept along by every wind of teaching arising from human trickery, from their cunning in the interests of deceitful scheming" (Eph 4:11-16).

	In addition, the Scriptures do not provide lessons in grammar or a theological dictionary as inspired books that would define the meaning of all terms used elsewhere in the Church's collection of inspired books. Any interpretations based on linguistics and definitions are only as good as the non-biblical scholarship involved in the judgment.		In addition, the Scriptures do not provide lessons in grammar or a theological dictionary as inspired books that would define the meaning of all terms used elsewhere in the Church's collection of inspired books. Any interpretations based on linguistics and definitions are only as good as the non-biblical scholarship involved in the judgment.